[Gta04-owner] Offering a present for Christmas

[Sven Dyroff]

Hello Nikolaus,

> If you really power off the device (through the TPS65950) and have 
switched
> off the UMTS module correctly there is only the RTC and scanning of the 
power
> button left over, i.e. there are no consumers connected directly to the 
battery
> except the PMIC and the UMTS module. And power consumption is in the uA
> range (maybe 100 uA). This has been proven during development of the 
board.

my GTA04A4 even with QtMoko v38 (-> kernel 3.5) still drains battery 
during poweroff. I still always have to remove the battery after power off 
in order to stop that. Not very healthy for the case.

> ... but I think that such a sub-populated board doesn't help much.

> The problematic part appears to correctly shut down the unused
> components within the PMIC and the OMAP+PoP but keep suspend
> to RAM work correctly. And maybe one or two of the peripheral
> components are not shut down correctly (e.g. ITG3200, IrDA).
> But those would be missing on the subpopulated device.

It was just an idea. You're free to modify it if you find that another 
combination of a sub-populated board will help finding the cause for the 
needlessly power drainage. I only say: If you and a kernel developer come 
to the conclusion that it helps to make a subpopulated device and that its 
costs are max. 400 EUR, you may send me the bill. I hold this offer up to 
the end of November.

Best regards
   Sven





Von:    "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at goldelico.com>
An:     List for communicating with real GTA04 owners 
<gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
Datum:  04.10.2012 10:08
Betreff:        Re: [Gta04-owner] Offering a present for Christmas
Gesendet von:   gta04-owner-bounces at goldelico.com



Hi Sven,

Am 02.10.2012 um 10:31 schrieb Sven Dyroff:

Hello, 

Christmas is approaching and so I wanna stress the discussion of donations 
once again. Last time I did the result was, that giving donations to 
hardware projects would be better than for software projects, because 
promoting hardware projects results in bringing forward every software 
project, not only one. OK, accepted. So here's my new offer: 

One of the biggest disadvantages of the gta04 still is its huge power 
consumption. Most people in this list quarrel with power drainage during 
suspend. To be quite clear: For me this is not the case, due to the 
reasons that I already described within this list, earlier. I can easily 
live with its current power drainage during suspend. But I emphatically 
quarrel with power drainage during poweroff! During poweroff the device 
should only take some µA for RTC and scanning power button. Everything 
above of that is much too much. And it's clear that if someone would be 
able to achieve this, it would be a nice side-effect that probably suspend 
would then also take less power. 

So I come back to the idea I already described here some months ago. Why 
not make one special gta04a4, whose plate has absolutely no parts 
populated except 
- PMIC 
- OMAP with POP memory 
- RS232 tranceiver 
- USB tranceiver 
- SD card slot 
? 

I think for a kernel developer who is hunting araound for mA and µA, 
having such a device in addition to the ordinary gta04a4 would make things 
much easier. 

Generally it is IMHO a very good idea to bring down standby current 
consumption, but I think that such a sub-populated board doesn't help 
much.

If you really power off the device (through the TPS65950) and have 
switched off the UMTS module correctly there is only the RTC and scanning 
of the power button left over, i.e. there are no consumers connected 
directly to the battery except the PMIC and the UMTS module. And power 
consumption is in the uA range (maybe 100 uA). This has been proven during 
development of the board.

The problematic part appears to correctly shut down the unused components 
within the PMIC and the OMAP+PoP but keep suspend to RAM work correctly. 
And maybe one or two of the peripheral components are not shut down 
correctly (e.g. ITG3200, IrDA). But those would be missing on the 
subpopulated device.


So I'm willing to pay GD for a making such a special gta04a4, if there's 
also at least one kernel developer who offers to spend a seriously amount 
of time to do this work. If he succeeds, he may keep this device as 
present. Otherwise I'll continue to claim the ownership of it for me, in 
order to be able to pass it to the next kernel developer, who wants to 
crack the hard nut... 

Best regards 
   Sven 


P.S.: When making this offer, I expect that the costs for it will be max. 
400 EUR. @Nikolaus: If this assumption is wrong, please tell me. 

It could fit if the UMTS module is left off. This is the most expensive 
single component.

BR,
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