[Tinkerphones] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Librem 5

Sven Dyroff S.Dyroff at phytec.de
Mon Nov 6 18:04:34 CET 2017

Hello Nikolaus,

that's indeed really much money. But the GTA04 has one very big advantage:


As far as I can see everything other is currently nothing more than 
fiction. Let us take the Neo900 for example: I'm still hoping that I'll 
get one, some day. According to the original schedule it should have been 
delivered since several years, now. So meanwhile I already would be happy 
if it will be shipped to me before the according radio networks with which 
its modem works will be switched off forever due to 5G...

I don't expect Librem 5 and others to share a better fate than Neo900. 
GTA04 has already passed a very long way which all others still need to 
go. Hopefully Neo900 is still on place second in the run. Bricolages like 
Zerophone are no option for me.

Best regards


Von:    "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at goldelico.com>
An:     "Tinkerphones Community" <community at tinkerphones.org>
Datum:  05.11.2017 19:35
Betreff:        Re: [Tinkerphones] Antwort: Re:  Librem 5
Gesendet von:   "Community" <community-bounces at tinkerphones.org>

Hi Sven,

Am 27.10.2017 um 11:46 schrieb Sven Dyroff <S.Dyroff at phytec.de>:

Hello Nikolaus, 

>> I've been following the tinkerphone mailing list all this time and was 
>> quite disappointed about the complex soldering problems you've 
> Yes... Well, it is more a financial problem. We would have just needed 
> of what Librem 5 has collected to do one or two more trial runs. 
> And I am sure we know what went wrong because I was finally able to 
> one difference in the production tools between successful GTA04A4 and 
> GTA04A5. But we couldn't finance more tests from the money on the table. 

So how much money would be needed in order to lead the GTA04A5 to a 
successful end? 

I am still collecting information, before I can make a precise estimate, 
but please expect >> 10k €.

One part is that this needs a new stencil, production preparation (there 
is one person sitting
one day to fill the component feeders) and the production run itself. 
Which would be 1 day
renting operator persons plus machine operation time. And someone has to 
test and potentially
fix all the devices. This will be somewhere between 5k € and 10k €.

Another major factor in this calculation is that due to the delay and our 
problems there is now
the Librem 5 ready for preorder at 599 USD.

This makes it unlikely that there are still enough Openmoko friends who 
prefer to buy a GTA04A5
board at the planned price of 444 € or a complete Letux 2804 at 584 € plus 
VAT. This price was
calculated to cover all cost under the assumption that everything goes 
well (with some reserve
for problems - but this has already been used more than completely).

So a more realistic price would be 244 € for a GTA04A5 board and 384 € for 
a complete
Letux 2804. The production is ca. 60-70 boards limited by the remaining 
components. So this
means another ca. 13k€ is missing because of this effect.

If we find a gratuitous donator covering the additional cost (and risk 
that it will fail again),
we could give it a try to build the final batch of devices. We could even 
invite the donator
to participate and watch the production run.

Thus, a rough estimate is that in total it is ca. 1% of what Librem 5 has 
collected... Or
one 10-pack of Librem 5 + 30 inch Monitors.

So if someone wants to donate or knows someone :)



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