[Community] New cell phone design wanted?

Adam Van Ymeren adam.vany at gmail.com
Mon Jan 4 16:51:25 CET 2016

This doesn't excite me at all to be honest.

We already have the Neo900.  What's the difference between the phone
you're proposing and any other flagship phone out there like the Nexus
6p.  You said you won't release the PCB, and it's got a proprietary
Maui GPU.  So already I can't run it with only free software, and if
you don't release the PCB, I can't be confident that the cell modem is
actually switched off when I ask it to be and doesn't have DMA to the
system RAM.

I'm much more interested in a so called "low end" phone.

The reason I follow this community and purchase things like the
GTA04A5 is that I'm interested in having as much or more control over
the computer I carry in my pocket as the computer I carry in my

Flashy specs don't excite me.  Previous generation chips have more
than enough processing power to excite me.  I can build the software
if existing software stacks are too slow.

What excites me is devices that continue to push the envelope for
giving the user control over the hardware.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 5:56 PM, James <wireless at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> Kero <openphoenux at ...> writes:
>> > >> So what is your desired feature list? (processor, ram, flash,
> peripherals?)
> Well, these replies do tell this commmunity is alive and desires some new
> toys to get excited about. So, if I may be bold, how does this sound to
> satisfy what I have parsed from the previous posts ???
> Hardware::
> multicore arm64, maui gpu, 4 gig of ram, micro-usb & usb3, wifi , audio i/0,
> Bluetooth, 5" touch screen, sim card socket, camera, gps, temp
> Software::
> hardened linux kernel [1], embedded gentoo linux os, lxqt, (this is what I'd
> do). Openrc (no systemd). SeLinux [2]. Fully encrypted device.
> As a gentoo device, it's pretty straight forward to install whatever
> software your want from portage, within the constraints of the resources.
> Just so you know, I have little interest in a low price. I'm interested in
> building a cell comm device that kicks ass, is secure and users
> control/modify it as they like. Have troubles with the stack, hire somebody
> or create what you want in the open. BSD style licenses as much as possible,
> i.e. entrepreneurs are most welcome!
> I'm interested in expanding the Rf interface capabilities (ham, CB etc)
> so that is still floating on the exact details. That may be an add on board
> that 'clips on the back; decided once I get the final list of hardware to
> support.
> What I need is a consensus. A rally cry, so I can go into board meetings
> with several semiconductor firms and pitch a revolutionary device for the
> secure entrepreneur to prosper. I am influential and have a long history of
> squeezing (chip) vendors:: so no worries on how to get this done. Besides,
> the current cell phone sales have stalled because nobody is building
> anything that excites folks. I have zero interest in building a sub $300
> cell phone, that is an exercise in futility, imho. I'm more interested in
> the 'big cannon' cell phone that folks will pay for to get one and become
> excited about writing and hacking software for it. Somebody else can focus
> on the low end (sorry if this offends anyone). Codes that invoke lincense
> issue will become user installable, via the gentoo package management system
> known as portage [3]
> So what did I miss on the hardware and software? (please leave emotion,
> guilt and other such issues out of the discussion) I just what input on the
> killer cell phone package (hardware and software) that folks want (like
> SElinux on an embedded linux cell device).
> [1] https://grsecurity.net/
> [2] http://selinuxproject.org
> [3] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Portage
> James
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