<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hello Nikolaus,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>> Neo900 planned a couple of
stuff that would have domesticated that beast at least up to a certain
level.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>> Such smart things like measuring
its power consumption and validate if it's reasonable compared with</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>> its current instructed actions
with the option to automatically switch it off.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">></font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> Well, I have my own opinion on
this...</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> It is: this stuff is useless.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">></font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> The reason is that nobody can test
if these detectors really work.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> To test a fire alarm you must make
some smoke. But how can you trigger the modem to make rogue activities
to check if they are detected?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I completely disagree!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The fact that the fundamental nature
of rogue activities is that they CANNOT be triggered by you, because the
roguishness persist exactly in the fact that it will be triggered by others,
consequently results in the NEED for exactly this stuff.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The proceeding is quite simple: You
claim anything to be weird that you don't understand. Just an ordinary
trial-and-error approach. And this stuff is exactly what you need for that!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>> It just needs a look behind
the big firewall of China. I claim the situation there is already apocalyptic.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>> And it's no dream anymore.
It's already damned reality.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">></font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> Yes, I know. But that is not a
technological issue. Technology was second. The situation is there for
30 years or more...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The book "The Shockwave Rider"
meanwhile is more than 40 years old and the described scenario is independent
from any concrete political situation. It rather depicts a general interplay
between evolution of technology on the one hand and degenerating of freedom
of society on the other hand. So there's no reason not to fear that this
could also happen to us. In fact it's just a question of time.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>>> Therefore we simply must
restart with something as a big team.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>></font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>> Yes, indeed. But you'll get
such a big team only if you can provide a clear aim.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>> One of the last Sourceforge
Newsletters provided a very interesting article about</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">>> the needs how to build a good
and effective Open Source team.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">></font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> Yes, I remember similar articles.
A key aspect is that people must see a benefit with the results.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> Either a personal for hobbyists
(could be learning something, appreciation, presenting as a good</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> software developer) or a commercial
one (saves money for the company they are working for).</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I heavily doubt that a pure materialistic
benefit is the reason for the need of a clear outlook. Instead of that
I assume that the real need for it is a result out of the individual fun
factor of programming: You need a means for synchronizing all the individuals
in some way. So you need to place milestones and you need to make transparent
if or how much they have been reached in order to prevent exactly that
diffusing that you have here in this project. Once again I claim that it
was a failure to declare it as an project for arbitrary tinkering on anything
that vaguely looks or acts like a phone.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> Well, my vision for QtMoko2 would
be:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">></font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> * modernized base: latest kernels,
latest development tools, latest Debian as basis</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> * remove bugs - just make it work
out-of-the-box</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> * modularized: just apt-get install
what you want to have (or even write a GUI app for that - sort of an Appstore)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> * runs on different hardware (existing
and upcoming)</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">></font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> IMHO a lot of aspects to work for.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">+1</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">> In the early days, the benefit
of QtMoko was to get something which did not exist before (besides iOS
1.0 and Android 0.5).</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Ooops. Did I mess up something? As far
as I know OpenMoko was the first smartphone on the market and Apple, Google
and Co. did unscrupulous cherrypicking from its ideas. Am I wrong here?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Best regards</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> Sven</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> </font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Von:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"H. Nikolaus Schaller"
<hns@goldelico.com></font>
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Datum:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">17.04.2019 20:48</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Betreff:
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QtMoko2</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Gesendet von:
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<br><tt><font size=3>Hi Sven,<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>> Am 17.04.2019 um 20:31 schrieb Sven Dyroff <S.Dyroff@phytec.de>:<br>
><br>
> Hello Nicolaus,<br>
><br>
> > Well, I don't fear the modem.<br>
><br>
> I do. And I exactly know why.<br>
><br>
> > As soon as you want to make use of it you have to turn it on
and accept that it is not trustworthy and can't be.<br>
><br>
> Neo900 planned a couple of stuff that would have domesticated that
beast at least up to a certain level. Such smart things like measuring
its power consumption and validate if it's reasonable compared with its
current instructed actions with the option to automatically switch it off.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>Well, I have my own opinion on this...<br>
It is: this stuff is useless.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>The reason is that nobody can test if these detectors
really work.<br>
To test a fire alarm you must make some smoke. But how can you trigger
the modem to make rogue activities to check if they are detected?<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>><br>
> > As long as it is a separate one connected through e.g. USB and
some AT commands for control.<br>
><br>
> We all agree that this is essential. But I claim that this is by far
not enough. With the GTA04 you just had good luck with your modem choice
by accident.<br>
><br>
> > At least in the dreams of some IoT evangelists.<br>
> ...<br>
> > Well, I don't share your pessimism and apocalyptic view here...<br>
><br>
> It just needs a look behind the big firewall of China. I claim the
situation there is already apocalyptic. And it's no dream anymore. It's
already damned reality.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>Yes, I know. But that is not a technological issue.
Technology was second. The situation is there for 30 years or more...<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>> > Especially if it seems to end in a "we
can't do anything about it".<br>
> > I believe we can do something. It is not easy and does not go
over night.<br>
> > But small steps are small steps if they go to the right direction.<br>
><br>
> Just ask Chinese activists how much they can do.<br>
><br>
> > Therefore we simply must restart with something as a big team.<br>
><br>
> Yes, indeed. But you'll get such a big team only if you can provide
a clear aim. One of the last Sourceforge Newsletters provided a very interesting
article about the needs how to build a good and effective Open Source team.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>Yes, I remember similar articles. A key aspect is
that people must see a benefit with the results. Either a personal for
hobbyists (could be learning something, appreciation, presenting as a good
software developer) or a commercial one (saves money for the company they
are working for).<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>In the early days, the benefit of QtMoko was to get
something which did not exist before (besides iOS 1.0 and Android 0.5).<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>> Unfortunately I don't have it anymore. But I
remember that a clear outlook was one of the basic requirements.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>Well, my vision for QtMoko2 would be:<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>* modernized base: latest kernels, latest development
tools, latest Debian as basis<br>
* remove bugs - just make it work out-of-the-box<br>
* modularized: just apt-get install what you want to have (or even write
a GUI app for that - sort of an Appstore)<br>
* runs on different hardware (existing and upcoming)<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>IMHO a lot of aspects to work for.<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>><br>
> Best regards<br>
> Sven<br>
><br>
> P.S.: Did I already mention at any time that I like QtMoko very much?
;-)<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>Not that I am aware of :):)<br>
</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=3>BR,<br>
Nikolaus<br>
</font></tt>
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