<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Hi all,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I think the current price is very good (and don't mind if I have to pay more if the volume purchase falls through). There is no way that open hardware can compete when doing low volume stuff. The discounts for high volume purchases is enormous - unfairly so. If people are going to compare the GTA04 price with high volume production they are being very naive. On top of this you get what you get - Telco spyware, Telco branding and custom mods, URLs in your firmware that you can not delete and are always the first in your list etc. <br></span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>I looked at putting together my own phone from single parts purchases and the cost was much higher. In reality I couldn't do it because no one would sell single parts. Jumping up a
level and buying the smallest volume possible of parts didn't bring the price down that much and for the computer on module I was looking at, you had to buy a developer kit for over $AUS2000 and be purchasing 100 per year for a couple of years.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>The price we are paying is for as much freedom as we can get. I would like to say that it all the sourced parts would be free from exploitative labor and environmental practices but that just is not possible (somewhere in the mix you know that someone greedy has been up to mischief - always unnecessary but greed is greed).</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Kev</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@goldelico.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> List for Openmoko community discussion <community@lists.openmoko.org> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> List for communicating with real GTA04 owners <gta04-owner@goldelico.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 16, 2012 6:23 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Gta04-owner] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results<br> </font> </div> <br>The discussion of the poll run by Lukas suggested to ask for acceptable<br>prices for a new Openmoko device.<br><br>>>> Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – please take part!<br>>>> We decided to start a poll about which hardware and which software you<br>>>> use or are interested in these days. The results will help us to<br>>>> focus
on relevant hard-/software.<br>>> <br>>> ... about 75eur too expensive (compared to the early bird fee). may another<br>>> poll to see how many people have an interest in really buying the gta04<br>>> at certain fees would good.<br>> <br>> Making a price poll is a good idea! We may learn how to better size<br>> and define the price for the next group tour.<br>> <br>> So please use this form to give your statement:<br>> <br>> <a href="http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%20Poll" target="_blank">http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%20Poll</a><br>> <br>> I will publish the results when they become significant.<br><br>Here are the results (which I think are quite significant):<br><br><br>Q1: What would be the maximum price at which you immediately <br> would buy a GTA04 Complete device (considering its high-end<br> feature
set)?<br> ____ EUR (incl. sales tax if applicable)<br><br>Q2: What would be the maximum price at which you grudgingly<br> (unwillingly) would still buy a GTA04 Complete device, if it is<br> not available at the price said above?<br> ____ EUR (incl. sales tax if applicable)<br><br>Note: Q2 was added after approx. 30 responses arrived. For those<br>early answers, it is assumed Q1=Q2 although we would have to<br>expect a real answer of Q2 > Q1.<br><br>So we have collected:<br><br>* a total of N=109 answers (see appendix)<br>* some answers where the unwillingly-price is lower than the<br> immediately-price (our English may not have been optimally<br> formulated)<br>* Min Q1: 50 EUR Q2: 100 EUR<br>* Max Q1: 800 EUR Q2: 950 EUR<br>* Avg Q1: 323,29 EUR Q2: 363,05 EUR<br>* Median Q1: 200 EUR Q2: 300 EUR<br>* 25/75 span Q1: 200-300 EUR Q2: 250-450 EUR<br><br>By
cumulating answers and plotting over different price levels we<br>can see how different prices influence how many GTA04 devices<br>would be bought.<br><br>(read as: at 500 EUR 20% of the respondents tell they would buy immediately)<br><br>Q1:<br><br><br><br>Q2:<br><br><br><br><br>Let me describe my first observations from these figures (not deeply<br>elaborated):<br><br>1. this result shows that we have a very large bandwidth what we<br>see as an acceptable price. For some of us the current price (which is<br>production cost driven) is ok, while for others it is far too high.<br><br>2. I find it interesting that there is no big difference between Q1 and Q2<br>which indicates that we either buy immediately or are just willing to add<br>50 EUR to make us unwilling buyers. This appears to be a strong<br>"mental level of maximum acceptable price". Or is it just available budget? If<br>we have it we buy immediately, if we don't we can't even buy
unwillingly?<br>Or is it driven by the addition of Q2 only after 30 responses on Q1 only?<br><br>3. at the current price of the GTA04 group tour (450-500 EUR range) we<br>can expect approx. 30% buyers. This would still mean 6000 of the originally<br>sold GTA02 devices. Hm. We are still far away from this figure with<br>subscriptions. What are the reasons?<br><br>4. a final observation is that I have to conclude that some of us have<br>no realistic perception of the market prices. <br><br>More than 40% would not want to pay more than 200-250 EUR<br>for a complete GTA04 (even with case etc.).<br><br>This makes me really puzzled as the GTA02 was never sold cheaper<br>than 199 EUR. Isn't getting UMTS, fast 3D graphics any value to the<br>majority of the Openmoko community? <br><br>The cheapest UMTS Android 2.2 device I can currently get in<br>Germany is at 129 EUR (most likely from some overstock clearance).<br>Has a 320x240 display, no sensors, no free and
open software. No<br>hardware description, no schematics. Appears to be crap and much<br>less featured than the GTA04. But the poll result indicates this is the<br>way we should go. Really?<br><br>I wnder how the community thinks it can be done at such low prices?<br>One answer (that I don't like at all) could be:<br><br> <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-child-labor-2012-1" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-child-labor-2012-1</a><br><br>So please prove my last observation and conclusion to be wrong.<br><br>BR,<br>Nikolaus<br><br><br>Appendix:<br><br>Q1 Q2<br>249 249<br>550 550<br>500 500<br>800 800<br>600 600<br>699 699<br>300 300<br>650 650<br>500 500<br>480 480<br>300 300<br>499 499<br>300 300<br>400 400<br>500 500<br>500 500<br>369 369<br>200 200<br>350 350<br>200 200<br>749 749<br>200 200<br>100 100<br>200 200<br>100 100<br>300 300<br>250 250<br>400 400<br>250 250<br>350 350<br>250
250<br>749 749<br>500 600<br>500 600<br>275 375<br>600 850<br>300 350<br>500 649<br>350 500<br>375 350<br>100 150<br>370 340<br>399 499<br>400 350<br>400 500<br>800 950<br>200 250<br>400 450<br>400 600<br>300 400<br>400 370<br>200 250<br>200 240<br>80 150<br>200 300<br>749 300<br>200 250<br>200 300<br>100 200<br>150 200<br>400 500<br>150 160<br>250 350<br>150 250<br>200 300<br>149 180<br>250 300<br>200 250<br>400 400<br>200 250<br>749 120<br>200 300<br>200 200<br>100 200<br>200 250<br>300 400<br>150 300<br>150 200<br>200 250<br>200 250<br>150 200<br>200 250<br>300 400<br>200 200<br>400 350<br>200 299<br>150 200<br>200 250<br>400 479<br>150 200<br>130 200<br>100 150<br>200 300<br>200 250<br>300 350<br>300 350<br>250 150<br>100 150<br>300 400<br>250 350<br>150 250<br>120 270<br>600 749<br>200 300<br>350 450<br>50 100<br>749 749<br>600 750<br>650 900<br>300 555<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Gta04-owner mailing list<br><a
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