[Gta04-owner] QtMoko2

[Sven Dyroff]

Hello Nikolaus,

>> Neo900 planned a couple of stuff that would have domesticated that 
beast at least up to a certain level.
>> Such smart things like measuring its power consumption and validate if 
it's reasonable compared with
>> its current instructed actions with the option to automatically switch 
it off.
>
> Well, I have my own opinion on this...
> It is: this stuff is useless.
>
> The reason is that nobody can test if these detectors really work.
> To test a fire alarm you must make some smoke. But how can you trigger 
the modem to make rogue activities to check if they are detected?

I completely disagree!

The fact that the fundamental nature of rogue activities is that they 
CANNOT be triggered by you, because the roguishness persist exactly in the 
fact that it will be triggered by others, consequently results in the NEED 
for exactly this stuff.

The proceeding is quite simple: You claim anything to be weird that you 
don't understand. Just an ordinary trial-and-error approach. And this 
stuff is exactly what you need for that!

>> It just needs a look behind the big firewall of China. I claim the 
situation there is already apocalyptic.
>> And it's no dream anymore. It's already damned reality.
>
> Yes, I know. But that is not a technological issue. Technology was 
second. The situation is there for 30 years or more...

The book "The Shockwave Rider" meanwhile is more than 40 years old and the 
described scenario is independent from any concrete political situation. 
It rather depicts a general interplay between evolution of technology on 
the one hand and degenerating of freedom of society on the other hand. So 
there's no reason not to fear that this could also happen to us. In fact 
it's just a question of time.

>>> Therefore we simply must restart with something as a big team.
>>
>> Yes, indeed. But you'll get such a big team only if you can provide a 
clear aim.
>> One of the last Sourceforge Newsletters provided a very interesting 
article about
>> the needs how to build a good and effective Open Source team.
>
> Yes, I remember similar articles. A key aspect is that people must see a 
benefit with the results.
> Either a personal for hobbyists (could be learning something, 
appreciation, presenting as a good
> software developer) or a commercial one (saves money for the company 
they are working for).

I heavily doubt that a pure materialistic benefit is the reason for the 
need of a clear outlook. Instead of that I assume that the real need for 
it is a result out of the individual fun factor of programming: You need a 
means for synchronizing all the individuals in some way. So you need to 
place milestones and you need to make transparent if or how much they have 
been reached in order to prevent exactly that diffusing that you have here 
in this project. Once again I claim that it was a failure to declare it as 
an project for arbitrary tinkering on anything that vaguely looks or acts 
like a phone.

> Well, my vision for QtMoko2 would be:
>
> * modernized base: latest kernels, latest development tools, latest 
Debian as basis
> * remove bugs - just make it work out-of-the-box
> * modularized: just apt-get install what you want to have (or even write 
a GUI app for that - sort of an Appstore)
> * runs on different hardware (existing and upcoming)
>
> IMHO a lot of aspects to work for.

+1

> In the early days, the benefit of QtMoko was to get something which did 
not exist before (besides iOS 1.0 and Android 0.5).

Ooops. Did I mess up something? As far as I know OpenMoko was the first 
smartphone on the market and Apple, Google and Co. did unscrupulous 
cherrypicking from its ideas. Am I wrong here?

Best regards
   Sven
 
 



Von:    "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at goldelico.com>
An:     List for communicating with real GTA04 owners 
<gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
Datum:  17.04.2019 20:48
Betreff:        Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko2
Gesendet von:   "Gta04-owner" <gta04-owner-bounces at goldelico.com>


Hi Sven,

> Am 17.04.2019 um 20:31 schrieb Sven Dyroff <S.Dyroff at phytec.de>:
>
> Hello Nicolaus,
>
> > Well, I don't fear the modem.
>
> I do. And I exactly know why.
>
> > As soon as you want to make use of it you have to turn it on and 
accept that it is not trustworthy and can't be.
>
> Neo900 planned a couple of stuff that would have domesticated that beast 
at least up to a certain level. Such smart things like measuring its power 
consumption and validate if it's reasonable compared with its current 
instructed actions with the option to automatically switch it off.

Well, I have my own opinion on this...
It is: this stuff is useless.

The reason is that nobody can test if these detectors really work.
To test a fire alarm you must make some smoke. But how can you trigger the 
modem to make rogue activities to check if they are detected?

>
> > As long as it is a separate one connected through e.g. USB and some AT 
commands for control.
>
> We all agree that this is essential. But I claim that this is by far not 
enough. With the GTA04 you just had good luck with your modem choice by 
accident.
>
> > At least in the dreams of some IoT evangelists.
> ...
> > Well, I don't share your pessimism and apocalyptic view here...
>
> It just needs a look behind the big firewall of China. I claim the 
situation there is already apocalyptic. And it's no dream anymore. It's 
already damned reality.

Yes, I know. But that is not a technological issue. Technology was second. 
The situation is there for 30 years or more...

> > Especially if it seems to end in a "we can't do anything about it".
> > I believe we can do something. It is not easy and does not go over 
night.
> > But small steps are small steps if they go to the right direction.
>
> Just ask Chinese activists how much they can do.
>
> > Therefore we simply must restart with something as a big team.
>
> Yes, indeed. But you'll get such a big team only if you can provide a 
clear aim. One of the last Sourceforge Newsletters provided a very 
interesting article about the needs how to build a good and effective Open 
Source team.

Yes, I remember similar articles. A key aspect is that people must see a 
benefit with the results. Either a personal for hobbyists (could be 
learning something, appreciation, presenting as a good software developer) 
or a commercial one (saves money for the company they are working for).

In the early days, the benefit of QtMoko was to get something which did 
not exist before (besides iOS 1.0 and Android 0.5).

> Unfortunately I don't have it anymore. But I remember that a clear 
outlook was one of the basic requirements.

Well, my vision for QtMoko2 would be:

* modernized base: latest kernels, latest development tools, latest Debian 
as basis
* remove bugs - just make it work out-of-the-box
* modularized: just apt-get install what you want to have (or even write a 
GUI app for that - sort of an Appstore)
* runs on different hardware (existing and upcoming)

IMHO a lot of aspects to work for.

>
> Best regards
>    Sven
>
> P.S.: Did I already mention at any time that I like QtMoko very much? 
;-)

Not that I am aware of :):)

BR,
Nikolaus

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