<html><head></head><body><div>Long time listener, first time caller. Great points in this thread, IMO.</div><div><br></div><div>On Sun, 2022-01-02 at 22:01 +0100, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>This raises an interesting question: can a loosely organised open source</div><div>community ever fulfill these user's expectaions? Or does it need a commercial<br></div><div>effort following a plan, an agenda, doing scrum etc. having enough resources<br></div><div>and not waiting for volunteers? This does not exclude to make the results<br></div><div>open source (like Google does with Android), but it needs big funds...<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think bespoke devices—developed by communities of volunteers—getting to market and meeting consumer expectation is highly unlikely.</div><div><br></div><div>When a specific device gets a crtical mass of users, it does seem possible. Retro handheld devices have exploded over the past year or so; for example, those built around the RK3326 have received a lot of attention from developers, with multiple distros tweaking software to produce polished products.</div><div><br></div><div>It does appear that PinePhone line has the potential to get such critical mass.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, compute modules (e.g. RPi CM4) appear to be getting traction; I see potential for amateurs to build devices and software around standardized modular platforms, which receive the engineering budget and rigour necessary to produce modern mobile hardware.</div><div><br></div><div>They won't be as good as today's flagships, but they could become good enough. I'll take a good-enough open device over a fancy closed device any day of the week.</div><div><br></div><div><span></span></div></body></html>