<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Paul, <br><br></div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
... Another is actually <br>
being able to buy these devices after their normal retail life has effectively <br>
ended, at least from reputable suppliers.<br>
</blockquote><div>Yes, Maemo Leste is currently developed for devices that are currently not anymore in production.<br>(...)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I used to browse the Maemo forums and there seemed to be plenty of projects <br>
that never went anywhere, so I hope that this isn't one of those. I see that <br>
it is a continuation of the "Livermorium" keyboard extension for Motorola <br>
phones which, I think, did actually ship.<br></blockquote><div>This project was actually cancelled (only a few devices actually shipped). The company (Chen) paid the money back to the backers.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Personally, I am very skeptical about projects that promise lots of things in <br>
an opaque fashion, and the involvement of NDAs makes me particularly <br>
skeptical. </blockquote><div>As far as I know most current smartphone vendors do not offer any documentation for their hardware. So this could already be a big step in the right direction.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Others may have different impressions, perhaps because they know <br>
the people involved and trust them, but I would encourage people to support <br>
projects that work in the open: there is already too much secrecy in hardware <br>
development. <br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
If these people actually come through and make a device, I'm sure that those <br>
making software can then consider whether it is a viable thing to support. But <br>
if I were in that position myself, I wouldn't commit to supporting anything <br>
where it seems that the process involved in making it doesn't really value <br>
other people's involvement or input.<br>
<br>
Sorry to be negative about something which could end up being a good thing! <br>
And thanks for pointing it out, of course.<br></blockquote><div>I of course understand your view on this device.<br> <br></div><div>In the meantime a lot happened and also a lot of information about the device is now available. It is called Pro1, will cost 650 $/650 £, will likely be sold in July 2019. This is the homepage: <a href="https://www.fxtec.com/">https://www.fxtec.com/</a><br></div><div>It was presented at Mobile World Congress and generated a lot of interest, see first TMO post in the "official" thread <a href="http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100554&highlight=kernel">http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100554&highlight=kernel</a> .<br></div><div><br></div><div>Some info is available about mainlining already:<br>In this post Chen (who is one of the founders of the company) talks about mainlining the device:<br><a href="http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1554693&postcount=846">http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1554693&postcount=846</a><br>"However mainlining the SoC is something new to me, and I need time to
discover what we could help with the process. Wicket has provided some
very valuable information about the direction, but I need some time to
work out with the team the best way of moving forwards. I don't want to
false promise things I am not 100% certain yet, but what I meant is I
will support as much as I can, just as SFOS community port. And I need
to find out how."</div><div> <br></div><div>In this post is stated, that this SOC is not so bad for mainlining:<br><a href="http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1554483&postcount=721">http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1554483&postcount=721</a> -> <a href="https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/msm8998.dtsi">https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/arch/arm64/boot/dts/qcom/msm8998.dtsi</a><br><br>Another interesting post:<br><a href="http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1554553&postcount=772">http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1554553&postcount=772</a><br>"... Back to topic, I will PM you separately about how we could contribute or
work together on mainlining the SoC. It would certainly be a good
direction not relying on Hybris."<br><br></div><div> BR, Martin<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>