<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi,<div><br><div><div>Am 12.05.2015 um 19:37 schrieb Liviu Farbas <<a href="mailto:liviu.farbas@gmail.com">liviu.farbas@gmail.com</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><p dir="ltr">i was thinking at something like the Raspberry Pi, which does not have any memory built in, and everythin including bootloader is stored on sd card.</p></blockquote>What would be the benefit?</div><div><br></div><div>On the GTA04 you can store bootloader and kernel either in NAND or uSD or both. By pressing the AUX button you can choose which memory the system boots from.</div><div><br></div><div>And, the NAND and the RAM are combined in a single multi-chip-module, so you can’t remove just the NAND. You can erase it and then it will be skipped when booting. So this would simulate a non-existing chip.</div><div><br></div><div>IMHO a mix of boot loader in NAND and kernel/device-tree/rootfs on uSD is the most flexible setup so that you can simply swap SD cards for different OS versions to run.</div><div><div>Please also note that having the boot loader on the SD card requires a two-parition layout and is quite inflexible. We have a tool that can partition and format and fill SD cards in quite flexible choices [1].</div><div><br></div></div><div>So what are you missing or trying to improve?</div><div><br></div><div>BR,</div><div>Nikolaus</div><div><br></div><div>[1]: <a href="http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-makesd/">http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-makesd/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 12, 2015 11:37 AM, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <<a href="mailto:hns@goldelico.com">hns@goldelico.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi,<div>the GTA04A5 has a NAND flash of 512 MB and a uSD reader up to 32 GB (see photos on <a href="http://www.gta04.org/" target="_blank">www.gta04.org</a>). The NAND flash is mainly used for the boot loader and a small rescue Linux system but real OS operation is done by swapping such uSD cards. So you can for example have a uSD card for Replicant and another one for QtMoko. Or put both on one in different partitions.</div><div><br></div><div>BR,</div><div>Nikolaus</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>Am 12.05.2015 um 10:12 schrieb Liviu Farbas <<a href="mailto:liviu.farbas@gmail.com" target="_blank">liviu.farbas@gmail.com</a>>:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><p dir="ltr">What about the emmc module? Will that module be removable? Or instead a built in emmc, wouldn't be a better choice to add a SD card slot? It would be really great to experiment with operating systems without the risk of corrupting the emmc.</p><p dir="ltr">Best regards,</p><p dir="ltr">Liviu</p><div class="gmail_quote">On May 11, 2015 10:37 AM, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <<a href="mailto:hns@goldelico.com" target="_blank">hns@goldelico.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>you may wonder what is going on with this project. Did it turn into a black hole? Or<br>did someone do a “rm -rf /“ :)<br><br>No, nothing of that. Therefore, I think we owe you some short status update on this project.<br><br>There hasn’t been much to report in the last months, but now we have several news<br>within some days.<br><br>1. I have checked again and we can still get the GTM601W, but the distributor says<br> <span> </span>the risk is high that OPTION declares EOL any time and in that case we would have<br> <span> </span>to make an order of at least 3000 units so that they restart production just for us.<br><br> This means we must secure these modules for us now, since there is no replacement<br> that easily fits into the space constraints of the GTA04 (resp. GTA01/02 board).<br><br> Cinterion modules would be nice since they are planned for the Pyra and the Neo900,<br> but they are approx. 10% too big.<br><br>2. we see some difficulties in getting the W2SG0084 GPS module, but that is some<br> <span> </span>paperwork the distributor has to do with Wi2Wi.<br><br> Nevertheless, this is also a risk candidate for EOL because only one distributor shows<br> stock.<br><br>3. There are also good news:<br> <span> </span>we participate in the risk buy of Samsung 1GB RAM+512MB NAND chips (as<br> <span> </span>planned for the Neo900). So the GAT04A5 gets twice as much RAM :)<br><br> <span> </span>This chip has already been tested by reworking a BeagleBoard XM and modifying<br> <span> </span>the boot loader (kernel didn’t find the NAND yet, but U-Boot did. This is a problem<br> <span> </span>that will jointly be fixed with the Neo900 software team).<br><br>4. Production: we still are a little away from the quorum of 100 preorders (at the<br> <span> </span>moment of this writing we have estimated approx. half = 45 units). So it is still<br> <span> </span>not possible to make final decisions about production dates and final pricing.<br><br> <span> </span>So we need to get a little more support for our project. If you have ideas, please<br> <span> </span>let us know or start activities. Many small activities are as good as a big one!<br> <span> </span>And we know that this is a niche product that requires an existing GTA01/02<br> <span> </span>device. So it is not possible to “attract the masses”. We must find and convince<br> <span> </span>the previous GTA01/02 owners whose devices are collecting dust. There had been<br> <span> </span>produced ca. 15k such devices so that we just need another 1/3% or in other<br> <span> </span>words only 1 out of 300 GTA02 owners needs to decide for a GTA04A5.<br><br>5. Regarding the risk buy of the GTM601W, RAM chips and W2SG0084, I plan to<br> <span> </span>take the budget (~5100 EUR) that we already have collected.<br><br> <span> </span>This will transform the vouchers into ownership of components. So it has the<br> <span> </span>consequence that we can’t refund in money (cash, bank transfer) any more, but<br> <span> </span>only in unused hardware components (i.e. 100 EUR ~ 1*GTM601+1*RAM+1*GPS)…<br><br> <span> </span>For future preorder vouchers you would also buy such a component set (which we<br> <span> </span>would keep in safe warehouse of course) until we can really build the whole devices.<br><br><br>So quite some news and I would be happy if we can fill up the missing preorders [1]<br>sooner than later so that we can start production. Please think about securing your<br>set of components for the last production batch of the most open smartphone platform<br>that we already have.<br><br>BR and thanks for continued support,<br>Nikolaus Schaller<br><br>[1]:<span> </span><a href="http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5" target="_blank">http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community@openphoenux.org" target="_blank">Community@openphoenux.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community" target="_blank">http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community</a><br><a href="http://www.openphoenux.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openphoenux.org</a><br></blockquote></div>_______________________________________________<br>Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Community@openphoenux.org" target="_blank">Community@openphoenux.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community" target="_blank">http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community</a><br><a href="http://www.openphoenux.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openphoenux.org</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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