<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>Am 12.08.2013 um 12:17 schrieb Sven Dyroff:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Hello Nikolaus,</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>>> This is my view on
democracy: if you don't like a rule, either </font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>>> accept it (and use
it cleverly to your benefit) or fight at the right </font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>>> place (politics, parliaments
etc.) to get them changed. But don't </font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>>> simply break and ignore
them. </font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>></font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>> This is my view on human
social progress: If people wouldn't have ignored</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>> and broken rules in the
past, then even in Germany children would still</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>> work in mines, "procuration"
and homosexuality would still be a crime,</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>> chimneys and sewers of
factories would still unscrupulously pollute our</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>>> environment, etc. etc.
etc. </font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>></font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>> Please remember: How many chimneys
had to be climbed and how many sewers had</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">>> to be closed illegally by Greenpace
in order to finally get them widely clean?</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">></font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">> In a real democracy you would not
need to do that, because politics would listen</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">> to the people...</font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">></font>
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">> Just 2cts more...</font>
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<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">You're quite right to phrase your statement
in conjunctive. But if you've already taken the step to realize that our
existing system isn't a (real) democracy, what conclusions do you draw
regarding the possibilities of changing that?</font>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div>Mainly I want to express that *we* support those who don't listen to us. We have elected some of them. Or support their parties.</div><div>Generally I don't think at all that our existing system needs to be changed. We (the people) should just use the existing system more wisely and support politicians that listen to us.</div><div><div><br></div>The solution sounds simple: going to the next elections instead of ignoring them... And carefully looking at what the politicians and parties are trying to achieve. And trying to estimate if they will do what they say or if they just want to collect votes and do something else afterwards for whatever reasons.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">
<br><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Please remember history lessons at school:
In Germany there will never be a revolution because before the Reichstag
(German parliament) there's a sign: "Rasen betreten verboten!"
(it's forbidden to step on the lawn).</font>
<br></blockquote></div><br><div>I don't see any sign that we need a revolution. We already have many parties to chose from and can elect or reject them for the driver seat.</div><div><br></div><div>And as long as there is no sign at the parliament "founding new parties is forbidden", we can just use the means (elections and political participation) we have. If such a sign would exist, that would be my personal "red line" where I would see a revolution necessary to remove those who have put up such a sign. But not before.</div><div><br></div><div>IMHO it has become "popular" to ask for "revolution" if anything isn't going the way the individual would like to have it. But "evolution" could be equally successful with less pain. It just takes more time.</div><div><br></div><div>But I think we are loosing the focus on what we, the OpenPhoenux community can do in our small area of competencies. It is nice to dream about a better world, but dreaming alone isn't enough.</div><div><br></div><div>-- hns</div></body></html>