[Tinkerphones] New tinkerphone gadgets in Goldelico shop?

Thomas Munker t.munker at gmx.net
Wed Nov 15 11:11:55 CET 2017


how complicate is it, to add some sort of button?
I would prefer a non mechanic one, i think they are capacity-based read out, simple metal plates.

I like the idea, that the key should only provide crypto operations, when it is touched. I guess, the mainwork would have to be done on SW-side. to achieve that kind of functionality. But since hardware is not so easy changeable, it would have to provide the capability already. 
I know that this is not as safe as a key-pin, but for some low priority things i would prefer such a mechanism.

How do you want to work with the original author and community of FST01/Gnuk? Will they support/work with us and get some financial support for sold sticks? Maybe they would be glad if their child will get a new production batch run and add to our orders.


Am 15. November 2017 09:40:26 MEZ schrieb Belisko Marek <marek.belisko at gmail.com>:
>Hi Nikolaus,
>On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:01 AM, H. Nikolaus Schaller
><hns at goldelico.com> wrote:
>> Hi Marek,
>>> Am 15.11.2017 um 08:46 schrieb Belisko Marek
><marek.belisko at gmail.com>:
>>> Hi Nikolaus,
>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:33 PM, H. Nikolaus Schaller
><hns at goldelico.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Marek,
>>>> this are nice findings!
>>>> Did I understand all that correctly that one just needs some 3.3V
>compatible UART plus host software?
>>>> The FST-01 hardware has three connector pads for
>>>> * GND
>>>> * SWCLK
>>>> * SWDIO
>>>> where it is expected to connect the ST-link. These pin names look a
>little more like I2C than UART.
>>>> Or are they dual-function?
>>> According other app note:
>>> it looks like there are various pattern how to start bootloader
>>> in internal ROM (burn in production).
>> This seems to be very similar to the BOOT options of the OMAP
>> One of them is well know to GTA04 users: the AUX button modifies boot
>sequence from NAND-MMC-UART to MMC-NAND-UART.
>>> So maybe we will just need some
>>> jumper and connector to plug usb->uart converter and user can then
>>> easily update SW in stm32.
>>>> And do we need to pull up/down some other pin to enable this
>programming protocol?
>I have at home some STM32 eval board with many uarts so I'll check
>what is necessary to have bootloader running and get back with
>>>> Generally I'd like to avoid adding costly hardware which is rarely
>>>> One thing is that it may well make the cost go up to 50€ per key...
>>>> And the other is that it needs space making the key bigger.
>>> So adding small connector (rx,tx,gnd) + maybe 1 jumper for force
>>> bootloader to start shouldn't be so expensive ;)
>> Yes, that would be easy. Maybe we can use the standard FTDI-6pin UART
>connector like it is used for BeagleBone, Letux Cortex 8, PocketBone
>> Do you know which pins we have to touch on the STM32F103TB (used by
>the FST-01)?
>> The schematics shows BOOT0 and BOOT1 pins both tied to GND. And SWDIO
>and SWCLK are going to jumper.
>> Or can we even have the boot loader of the STM32F103TB watch USB?
>> Well, that would be some security risk since a rogue usb driver
>> could reflash the crypto firmware without users noticing...
>> But a solution could be that flashing requires some solder blob on
>the PCB.
>> BR and thanks,
>> Nikolaus
>>>> BR,
>>>> Nikolaus
>>> BR,
>>> marem
>>>>> Am 14.11.2017 um 13:16 schrieb Belisko Marek
><marek.belisko at gmail.com>:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Belisko Marek
><marek.belisko at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Nikolaus,
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 12:12 PM, H. Nikolaus Schaller
>>>>>> <hns at goldelico.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Marek,
>>>>>>>> Am 13.11.2017 um 11:45 schrieb Belisko Marek
><marek.belisko at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Belisko Marek
><marek.belisko at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 8:33 AM, H. Nikolaus Schaller
><hns at goldelico.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 04.11.2017 um 22:17 schrieb Niels <nift at maclisp.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>> "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at goldelico.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 03.11.2017 um 13:06 schrieb Paul Boddie
><paul at boddie.org.uk>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday 3. November 2017 10.54.44 H. Nikolaus Schaller
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 03.11.2017 um 10:32 schrieb Thomas Munker
><t.munker at gmx.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i would like to see some small cryptographic hardware,
>like eg. yubikey.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At best easy interfaceable to gta02/gta04 or with
>necessary interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have checked what they have:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.yubico.com/product/yubikey-4-series/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.yubico.com/product/yubikey-4-series/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems they offer USB-A and USB-C. So neither Mini nor
>Micro-USB. So it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs a proper adapter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is an article on LWN.net about these devices and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lwn.net/Articles/736231/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It covers the Yubikey NEO and Yubikey 4 plus the Nitrokey
>Pro and FST-01.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting reading!
>>>>>>>>>>>> To me it looks as if it would best fit our community to
>simply build
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough FST-01 units, so that they are not out of stock...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is said to be free and open, even if the device
>isn't the fastest one:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/vinaebizs/fst-01
>>>>>>>>>>>> So it looks not very difficult to have them produced and
>stocked by us at
>>>>>>>>>>>> a reasonable price.
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have been wanting a FST-01 for a while, but not found any
>place to
>>>>>>>>>>> buy one.
>>>>>>>>>> I have studied the schematics and it will take less than 1
>day to prepare for
>>>>>>>>>> producing some clone...
>>>>>>>>>> Cost is also reasonable, e.g. something below 30€ seems
>feasible for tiny
>>>>>>>>>> quantities (if produced in batches of 10). So it is possible
>to provide
>>>>>>>>>> permanent supply.
>>>>>>>>>> What I understood is that it needs some flashing tool to be
>connected to
>>>>>>>>>> a jumper. Maybe someone can elaborate this.
>>>>>>>>>> One thing is to be discussed about the USB interface:
>>>>>>>>>> Should we keep the USB-A plug or try to replace it by an
>Mini-USB-A so that
>>>>>>>>>> it can be directly plugged into a GTA0x?
>>>>>>>>>> Or even 3 variants with Standard-USB, MiniUSB and µUSB? Or
>does someone have
>>>>>>>>>> an idea if multiple sockets are feasible?
>>>>>>>>>> USB-C makes no sense IMHO, because then a much faster
>processor with USB3 speed
>>>>>>>>>> should be used... This would be a completely different
>>>>>>>>>> So what can be the next steps?
>>>>>>>>>> * I await your comments and comments about being interested
>>>>>>>>>> * maybe someone should take care about the programming
>>>>>>>>> I have experience with programming stm32 (there exists
>>>>>>>>> utility which can burn SW) but in this case I'm unsure.
>>>>>>>>> Does stm32 boot from external spi flash or external spi flash
>is used
>>>>>>>>> for something else?
>>>>>>>> In meantime I found that it's possible via ST-link only:
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.seeed.cc/FST-01/
>>>>>>>> also here:
>>>>>>>> so if we do new design maybe would be good to add for user
>>>>>>>> to update FW.
>>>>>>> Nice finding!
>>>>>>> Well, this would mean that we have to clone the ST-link device
>(where I have not
>>>>>>> yet an idea what is inside) and add another USB socket.
>>>>>>> But there seem to be clones:
>>>>>> We can use stm32 serial bootloader which should be present in any
>>>>>> stm32. Here is application note:
>>>>>> and also here is small program which can be used to burn image to
>>>>>> stm32 via serial bootloader: https://github.com/jsnyder/stm32ld
>>>>> And we can also use FOSS solution (from same guy who did FST-01) :
>>>>> https://www.hackster.io/gniibe/bbg-swd-93bcea
>>>>>> So we don't need ST-link programmed/debugger ;).
>>>>>>> Hm. Well, the ST-Link device is another Microcontroller with
>built-in firmware.
>>>>>>> So how do we flash that :)
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