[Community] Supply chain information

Sebastian Beschke sebastian at sbeschke.de
Wed Mar 5 18:33:48 CET 2014

Hi Oliver,

Am 04.03.2014 20:37, schrieb wonderphone at posteo.de:
> Is it possible to group the parts into parts that can be easily
> purchased at another location and parts that we do have to accept as
> they are? Can we for instance group the resistors and regard them a
> one general item or are they all individually special?
While I cannot answer the second question, I agree that prioritizing
parts in the way you suggest is going to be helpful.

> @Sascha: Did you already have the chance to take a look at the list?
> Does it look like something that you can feed into your tool? What
> will the tool be able to do what a big spread sheet table cannot do?
I think you mean me. Well, our goal is to provide visualisation and easy
management. A spread sheet table is not very accessible to the end user.
Especially as a supply chain is really tree shaped, and Nikolaus’ BOM
only covers the first level of the tree.

Well, our tool is obviously still in the making (though it’s coming
along fairly well). The main difference I see with NagerIT’s data (which
is our main target) is that the GTA04’s supply chain is much larger. But
it shouldn’t be a big problem to design towards that.

> @ Nikolaus: How would we need to proceed when we talk to suppliers? We
> probably have to avoid to make you a laugh in their eyes ;-)

I think we should work out some kind of “telephone script”. We need to
make the supplier understand what we want, and need to figure out how to
get that information out of them. Even before that, we need to know what
information to ask for in the first place. :) All this considering we
have a pretty weak position towards the supplier as we don’t represent a
large buyer (don’t represent anyone, really…).

I’d like to draw on Susanne Jordan’s (of NagerIT) experience with this.
I’ll try contacting her again.


> Best regards,
> Oliver
> Am 21.02.2014 20:29 schrieb kardan:
>> Hey,
>> thanks, Nikolaus, for all the info you gave so far. Hereby I commit some
>> more time in the future to collect and perform further researches on
>> mentioned vendors.
>> This said, I need to politely disagree with your expectation of what is
>> possible. I surely trust your experiences and see that *so far* there
>> was nearly no attention on this topic in mainstream media.
> ...
>> I am currently writing an article on risks of using software and devices
>> for activism to be published in the next edition of the open medium
>> gruenes-blatt.de which is part of an ongoing series as mentioned some
>> time ago. (This is not meant as advertisement, but if you are
>> interested in articles on phones published in the last edition have a
>> look here[2]).
>> For this edition I will add a note on your plans to improve
>> supply chain transparency including a call for support doing
>> researches and visualization.
>> Whenever you stumble upon tiny bits on this topic, please cc me (or
>> the list if it is relevant) and I will add them to the reservoir[3]. I
>> hope you are fine with reordering your sentences there.
>> Finally we have a lot of possibilities (and IMHO duties) when ordering
>> hardware. For example during negotiations (even with big vendors) we can
>> request information by sending a simple letter. Just the matter of fact
>> to receive such a letter for the first time will raise awareness in the
>> management of these companies.
>> If they decide to ignore or lie, this is something we can work with as
>> well by compiling results of such a research.
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