[Community] Status GTA04A5

[Robert 'Bobby' Zenz]

Hello,

looking at these numbers I just realized that in the light of the
recent Ubuntu Edge campaign, the 10k option seems to be the only viable
option, even if done via crowdfunding (ending at € 3.9M).
100k would already be € 29M...which seems without heavy industry begging
far out of reach.

No, I did not follow the other discussions around that, it was just
something that suddenly crossed my mind.

Thanks for your work on this,
Bobby

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:15:54 +0200
"Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at goldelico.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am 17.07.2013 um 19:12 schrieb Robert 'Bobby' Zenz:
> 
> > Hello Nikolaus.
> > 
> > Thanks for the update.
> > 
> > Do you have any figures you can share with us regarding the
> > price/amount ratio? Something like "100 buyers and we get it for €
> > 350,- each", or at least a rough estimation?
> 
> A rough estimate for GTA04A5 boards:
> 
> 1 buyer: 3000 EUR
> 10 buyers: 1500 EUR
> 100 buyers: 590 EUR
> 1000 buyers: 490 EUR (here it would include a better CPU, e.g. OMAP4)
> 10k buyers: 390 EUR (here it would include a new plastic case)
> 100k buyers: 290 EUR
> 1 Mio buyers: 240 EUR
> 10 Mio buyers: 199 EUR
> 
> Yes, it is more or less logarithmic (except at numbers < 100 and > 1
> Mio).
> 
> To get an impression about component cost you can look up e.g.
> DM3730CBP100, w2cbw003, w2sg0084, at http://www.octopart.com
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> BR,
> Nikolaus
> 
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > Bobby
> > 
> > On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:44:37 +0200
> > "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at goldelico.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi all,
> >> I think it is again time to discuss the status of the GTA04A5
> >> boards.
> >> 
> >> Schematics are done, Layout almost finished. And yesterday I talked
> >> to the production company and they would have capacity.
> >> 
> >> One minor issue is that we don't exactly know which components
> >> have become obsolete and need to be replaced (which may touch
> >> the layout again if they are not a drop-in pin-compatible
> >> replacement).
> >> 
> >> But all these technical things are easy to solve if some energy is
> >> invested.
> >> 
> >> We currently have these figures of entries on the wishlist:
> >> 
> >> 9	GTA04 Motherboards
> >> 9	Letux 2804 (i.e. built into GTA02 case)
> >> 3	Letux 7004
> >> 
> >> This makes 21 boards which is still far from becoming economically
> >> feasible, especially since some of the 21 wishes have quite
> >> challenging price expectations (e.g. 160 EUR for a Letux 7004 or
> >> 200 EUR for a GTA04 board). This indicates valid wishes, but is
> >> also an indicator that they will not buy if we produce and offer
> >> at real production cost. And nobody would sponsor something.
> >> 
> >> This all is understandable since commercial devices and failed
> >> projects like Vivaldi/Spark have set the bar of expectations to a
> >> level that is not achievable by our project.
> >> 
> >> I see it now like the olympic games of phone&computer integration
> >> which did run for approx. 10 years and did end in 2012.
> >> Samsung/Android have won the Gold medal, Apple/iOS the silver
> >> medal. And for the community projects it was nice to have
> >> participated - but no medal.
> >> 
> >> So the tournament is over. IMHO, Linux has reached the "palmtop". 
> >> Pushing for getting Linux on non-linux devices and Linux capable
> >> hardware to the masses (like Openmoko did pioneer) is no longer
> >> required, because it is done. And sponsors are not spending money
> >> any more, because there is no need to push Linux any more.
> >> 
> >> What happens between Olympic games? Training for the next game.
> >> 
> >> So other topics are on the horizon: security, energy efficiency,
> >> useability, operating system improvements, ...
> >> 
> >> Back to the GTA04A5 hardware plans, we all have to wait for more
> >> wishes (from people accepting a price premium for freedom) to be
> >> registered.
> >> 
> >> And wait for new ideas growing from this community. The GTA04
> >> hardware could still help better than any other platform because
> >> it has become quite mature, is flexible, well documented and well
> >> understood, i.e. creative people can focus on inventing new things
> >> and find people who know the GTA04 details.
> >> 
> >> I am curious about the new ideas to appear in this community...
> >> 
> >> BR,
> >> Nikolaus
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