[Community] Going outside - GTA04 website

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos at dosowisko.net
Sat Aug 24 21:49:33 CEST 2013

For some reason I wasn't registered in OpenPhoenux community maillist
until few minutes ago... This mail definitely targets OpenPhoenux, so
I hope members of both OpenPhoenux and Openmoko lists will forgive me
this duplicate. There's also one reply I've sent here too, but I
wasn't registered, so it waits for moderators approval.


Hello, community!

I'd like to start discussion about how we communicate our presence to
the external world. Recent threads showed that there's some need to
think about it.

I know this community consists rather of smart, technical geeks who
don't want to lower themselves into stinky marketing world. I truly
understand that :)

But unfortunately, we need money and it's now clear that this small
community is not enough to get each of our dreams to come true.

I'd like to start this discussion with GTA04 website. While I
appreciate current webpage for being very informative for someone who
already know what's going on in this project, I think it sucks as our
"business card".

When this page is the first thing someone new sees about GTA04, he or
she we'll be confused and probably won't understand a lot. Even if
he/she is not our target, it's bad, because if she/he has at least
some impression about what this project is about, he/she can recommend
it to some geeky friend or use it as some small talk topic.

On the other hand, we cannot oversimplify our page. We were always
targeting to people with some technical background, who generally
prefer to get straight to the point instead of going through tons of
advertising eye-candy bullshit.

I've seen website proposition from Slyon: http://slyon.de/gta04/index.old.php
I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/
And of course there's the current one: http://gta04.org/

I'd like all of you to point out good and bad parts of each of them,
so maybe we'll be able to create something that's rock solid for our

Keep in mind that my proposition is just a quick draft, it even uses
default Bootstrap theme which we probably would like to adjust a bit
to our needs (branding colors, some mentions about Golden Delicious
and stuff like that). Content is not final too - there are probably
some grammar errors and maybe even some misinformation (I wasn't
really active in community for some time recently, so it's possible
that I missed something). Maybe some things aren't even worth
mentioning and there should be something else instead - go on with
suggestions, it's nowhere near final now.

And well, maybe even we'll decide that there's no point in trying to
get more people into GTA04 now. Maybe redesigning it to fit N900 case
will get popular in the community and it'll be better idea to start
"campaign" together with this "new phone". Or some other idea will
come up.

I trust this community. I'm still using my Freerunner, but
unfortunately I'm more and more tired with it. I decided to start
saving for some new phone and I want it to be OpenPhoenux device, be
it GTA04 or anything new. Please, don't let this awesome project die!
I'm still convinced that we can succeed. Would you like to try helping
me help you help us all? :)

On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
<dos at dosowisko.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
> <hns at goldelico.com> wrote:
>> Am 24.08.2013 um 18:11 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
>>> Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
>>>> I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/
>> Wow, that looks good! Almost like a kickstarter project page :)
> Thanks :)
> BTW, I'm constantly updating it with some details. If some of you
> checked it out early, you might want to do it again. I replaced some
> styles from default theme with customized ones (color of buttons
> etc.), added links and other stuff like that.
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Nick <openmoko-community at njw.me.uk> wrote:
>> I'm not sure about the text about ethics of manufacturing - while it
>> is assembled in Germany, the components are sourced from factories
>> with potentially similar working conditions to other phones, they
>> use materials that are sourced in horrible ways and conditions, and
>> so on.
> I'm aware of that and I think it's still worth mentioning. Of course
> we're using parts manufactured in a way we don't have control, but
> this way we can go too deep. You know, Goldelico and factory workers
> may use gasoline that was extracted in bad ways to get themselves to
> work ;) But at least we can ensure that what we do and what we can
> control is done in ethically proper way. And that's something we can
> be proud of (or, actually, Golden Delicious, as that's their
> achievement ;)).
> I'm more worried about suggestions for buying and ordering over the
> page. We should think about describing our situation (you know, train
> waiting for green lights ;)) in a way that will be informative and
> true, but at the same time won't scary people ("ouch, another preorder
> fraud, nothing to see here"). I have some fancy slider in mind that
> would show estimated price depending on demand, but I'm open for
> different ideas.
> And one more thing: I'd be very grateful if some native speaker would
> check what I wrote on the page. I'm not confident enough about my
> English skills - they might be good enough for communication, but
> probably not for marketing purposes :)
> --
> Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos
> http://dosowisko.net/

Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos

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