<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi,<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 29.06.2017 um 09:25 schrieb Sven Dyroff <<a href="mailto:S.Dyroff@phytec.de" class="">S.Dyroff@phytec.de</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">Hello Andreas,</font>
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<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">>> If the remaining 99.9% of mankind
would understand what's going on,</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">>> then reputation of these "opponents"
would decrease significantly.</font>
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<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> Well, it is religion. People sometimes
trust to navigation systems to</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> make them magically go over the
water. People believe in that. Well,</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> there is an app for something so
that must be ok and good.</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> If that would not be the case then
nerds would be asked by usual</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> computer users questions like:"If
I use this communication technology,</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> my friend has always to use a special
device, is there any</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> alternative?"</font>
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<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">I don't think that it's due to religion.
I think it's digital dementia.</font>
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<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">We have learned to navigate with this:</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class=""> </font><a href="https://www.amazon.de/Shell-Atlas-2016-2017-Deutschland/dp/3826460448" class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">https://www.amazon.de/Shell-Atlas-2016-2017-Deutschland/dp/3826460448</font></a>
<br class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yes and no. This "we" is not specific enough.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>And implies some age group before iPhone, Garmin and TomTom was so</div><div>common. Let's say those who finished school before 2000.</div><div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div>Even then I would not say "we" but "some of us" have learned to navigate with this.</div><div>Because so man others have not even learned to use printed maps.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">How many people are still able to handle
this, nowadays?</font>
<br class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I am not sure that this are less.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>As said I know enough in my peer age group who never were able to navigate by</div><div>printed maps but now are due to navigation software.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So in total, more people can use the digital system than were able to use the analog one.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I.e. this is not "digital dementia". Because you can't forget or un-learn what you never</div><div>had learned.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">I was told that meanwhile young people
have been sighted while trying to zoom the schedules of train arrivals
/ departures in railway stations by two fingers... :-o</font> </div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Well, recently we were at a party and were handed out some leaflets with the text</div><div>we should help to sing. The text was too small to read... So we all tried to zoom</div><div>the paper by using the well known gesture.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Became the running gag of the whole day :)</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> Hmm, lets cite Immanual Kant.</font>
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<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">I really like Immanuel Kant very much.
But I think in this topic he cannot help.</font>
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<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> IMHO that is the main point of
childhood and a bit also of adults.</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> Even children do not get that tought
so often. Sometimes parents</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> are not happy anymore if their
children just play around in</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> kindergarten. There has always
to be some kind of organized learning.</font>
<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">> Hmm, is that really so much better
than having children to work?</font>
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<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">Indeed this is an important question.
But it has already been answered 47 years ago. See here:</font>
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<br class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class=""> </font><a href="http://fragmente-wiesbaden.de/resources/Illich_Erziehung.pdf" class=""><font size="2" face="sans-serif" class="">http://fragmente-wiesbaden.de/resources/Illich_Erziehung.pdf</font></a>
<br class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Well, that is difficult to judge if his assumptions are still valid</div><div>without knowing and understanding in which context it was written.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>And especially in the topic of education every age has its own</div><div>view of what is good or not. There are ancient greek or egyptian texts</div><div>which talk about pupils who don't want to learn and are worse</div><div>than in past times and have no respect for the elderly wisdom...</div><div><br class=""></div></div><div>BR,</div><div>Nikolaus</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>