[Gta04-owner] Gta04-owner Digest, Vol 14, Issue 27

lewis schmidt lewis.schmidt at gmail.com
Sat Feb 11 22:33:59 CET 2012


Golden Delicious Community.

I would like to replace my android device with a fully accessible linux
phone.

The site <http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04> for purchase,
although meticulous, does not give me a comprehensive understanding of what
i'm purchasing.  I'm not looking to do bench top engineering or
fabrication, I want a complete product.  I'm good with a serial connection
and a device I can use.

What is the best way you all can recommend I purchase an OpenMoko Gta04
device.  everything in one purchase.  the case, the screen, board, usb
charger.  the whole tamale.

I know this isn't the appropriate forum but as a consumer, potential
contributor and ardent reader of this listserv figured you all would have
the best advice.

Thankyou,

Lewis



On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 3:21 PM, <gta04-owner-request at goldelico.com> wrote:

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>   1. Re: Some questions about the GTA04A4 (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
>   2. Re: Some questions about the GTA04A4 (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
>   3. Re: Some questions about the GTA04A4 (Jonathan Wilson)
>   4. Re: Some questions about the GTA04A4 (Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli)
>   5. Re: Antwort: Re: Amazing adventures with a brandnew       GTA04...
>      (Christoph Mair)
>   6. Re: Some questions about the GTA04A4 (Jack Jones)
>   7. Re: Some questions about the GTA04A4 (Christoph Mair)
>   8. Re: Some questions about the GTA04A4 (Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:02:16 +0100
> From: "Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli" <GNUtoo at no-log.org>
> To: gta04-owner at goldelico.com
> Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Some questions about the GTA04A4
> Message-ID: <201202111702.16250.GNUtoo at no-log.org>
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> >Will the GTA04A4 really be the worlds first 3G smartphone that requires NO
> >binary-only code running on the main Linux side for full functioning of
> the
> >hardware?
> it doesn't require such thing:
> *The non-free wifi firmware runs on the wifi chip
> *The non-free 3d driver is optional: it's not needed.
> xf86-video-omapfb should supports xv acceleration(you need to install an
> xorg
> extension in SHR to make it work).
> In SHR which uses enlightenment, software compositing is even possible
> thanks
> to the 24 or 32 bit framebuffer.
>
> Denis.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:08:41 +0100
> From: "Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli" <GNUtoo at no-log.org>
> To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
>        <gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Some questions about the GTA04A4
> Message-ID: <201202111708.41448.GNUtoo at no-log.org>
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>
> btw I'm not even shure that we have the non-free 3d working.
> Without it it works just fine(you just won't be able to play games relying
> on
> heavy 3d acceleration such as quake3).
> (other games like battle for wesnoth, pingus, prboom etc...will work just
> fine
> without 3d acceleration, I've to port the recipes from openembedded-classic
> and test them tough(for instance I suspect that wesnoth need to be adapted
> to
> the screen resolution nowadays(with modification of the GUI in WML(a bit
> like
> xml but for wesnoth)) , it used to work on freerunner in the past).
>
> Denis.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:25:38 +0800
> From: Jonathan Wilson <jfwfreo at tpgi.com.au>
> To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
>        <gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Some questions about the GTA04A4
> Message-ID: <4F369682.4040205 at tpgi.com.au>
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> So its possible to get 100% working display stuff without using a single
> closed-source library if you dont need 3D? If so, that's probably more open
> than other PowerVR devices I have seen like the Nokia N900 where
> closed-libraries are required even for 2D (libraries like libpvr2d.so and
> libsrv_um.so)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:58:53 +0100
> From: "Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli" <GNUtoo at no-log.org>
> To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
>        <gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Some questions about the GTA04A4
> Message-ID: <201202111958.53187.GNUtoo at no-log.org>
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> >So its possible to get 100% working display stuff without using a single
> >closed-source library if you dont need 3D?
> right.
>
> >If so, that's probably more open
> >than other PowerVR devices I have seen like the Nokia N900 where
> >closed-libraries are required even for 2D (libraries like libpvr2d.so and
> >libsrv_um.so)
> I wouldn't say they are required, on SHR they are not required.
>
> however the n900 is very badly supported in SHR(no one works on it, I could
> work on it but I think the gta04 is more important...so I work on gta02 and
> gta04 currently).
> also the n900 has:
>  * a non-free signed bootloader
>  * a working GPS is attached to the modem.
>
> Denis.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:06:30 +0100
> From: Christoph Mair <christoph.mair at gmail.com>
> To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
>        <gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Antwort: Re: Amazing adventures with a
>        brandnew        GTA04...
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> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Thomas Gst?dtner <thomas at gstaedtner.net>
> wrote:
> > Yes, SIMs are only used for identification, as the name suggests.
> > In theory you don't need a SIM at all, and in many countries the
> > providers allow phones to be used without SIMs - usually for emergency
> > calls only.
> > As providers usually allow you to use any device, they need the SIM
> > registration to make sure they charge the correct party.
> > The behavior that you can switch and it will work for a moment is
> > unusual and likely modem and provider dependent.
> > Checking the SIM is the modems job, and if it does not notice the SIM
> > is missing and cache the relevant data on the SIM, there is no reason
> > why it would not work for a while. The network itself does not care,
> > the modem identified you and it is its job to answer.
> >
> > It would be Interesting if the behavior is the same if you don't
> > switch from A to B but from B to A instead.
>
> To exactly find out when the modem accesses the SIM you could use
> SIMtrace: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/SIMtrace
>
> Christoph
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:10:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jack Jones <sanctuarys3172 at yahoo.com>
> To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
>        <gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Some questions about the GTA04A4
> Message-ID:
>        <1328987444.4439.YahooMailNeo at web120301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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> just to clarify folks--when coming to the formatting of the sd card the
> final stages:Isthe command[ mkfs.msdos -F  32 /dev//sdd1 -n
>                                   or:    mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdd1
>
> or are these commands the same,,i notice there  is no vfat    filesystem
> in the partition table---can you advise me here?
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli <GNUtoo at no-log.org>
> To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners <
> gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 6:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Some questions about the GTA04A4
>
> >So its possible to get 100% working display stuff without using a single
> >closed-source library if you dont need 3D?
> right.
>
> >If so, that's probably more open
> >than other PowerVR devices I have seen like the Nokia N900 where
> >closed-libraries are required even for 2D (libraries like libpvr2d.so and
> >libsrv_um.so)
> I wouldn't say they are required, on SHR they are not required.
>
> however the n900 is very badly supported in SHR(no one works on it, I could
> work on it but I think the gta04 is more important...so I work on gta02 and
> gta04 currently).
> also the n900 has:
> * a non-free signed bootloader
> * a working GPS is attached to the modem.
>
> Denis.
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:20:15 +0100
> From: Christoph Mair <christoph.mair at gmail.com>
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>        <gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Some questions about the GTA04A4
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> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Wilson <jfwfreo at tpgi.com.au>
> wrote:
> > 2.Which model PowerVR GPU does the GTA04A4 contain? What is the status of
> > drivers for it? Will it be like every other PowerVR mobile device in
> > existence and rely on binary userland libraries for the GPU or has the
> GTA04
> > team found a way to produce an open source 3D driver for the GPU somehow?
>
> We (the GTA04 core team) do not have the ressources to reverse
> engineer the PowerVR driver.
> I got the binary driver working for the framebuffer, Xorg support is
> still pending. But if you don't want it, there is no need to use it to
> get a usable GUI.
>
> > and 3.Are there any other binary bits required for the hardware in the
> > device? (e.g. binary bits for the GPS or for WiFi/Bluetooth
> configuration as
> > seen on many other smartphones)
>
> The WiFi/BT chip needs a binary firmware, but there is a project which
> aims to replace it: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Thinfirm_1.5
> I tried their latest code a few month ago and I could load the driver
> and scan for networks but I did not get a reliable connection. It may
> be possible to fix the remaining issues to get a working and free
> firmware.
>
> Of course we would be happy if someone points us to a WiFi module
> which runs without closed firmware. :)
>
> Regards,
>  Christoph
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:21:25 +0100
> From: "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at goldelico.com>
> To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
>        <gta04-owner at goldelico.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Some questions about the GTA04A4
> Message-ID: <B6F022D0-9574-4951-9338-FC3D5FCE2F36 at goldelico.com>
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>
> Am 11.02.2012 um 20:20 schrieb Christoph Mair:
>
> > On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Jonathan Wilson <jfwfreo at tpgi.com.au>
> wrote:
> >> 2.Which model PowerVR GPU does the GTA04A4 contain? What is the status
> of
> >> drivers for it? Will it be like every other PowerVR mobile device in
> >> existence and rely on binary userland libraries for the GPU or has the
> GTA04
> >> team found a way to produce an open source 3D driver for the GPU
> somehow?
> >
> > We (the GTA04 core team) do not have the ressources to reverse
> > engineer the PowerVR driver.
> > I got the binary driver working for the framebuffer, Xorg support is
> > still pending. But if you don't want it, there is no need to use it to
> > get a usable GUI.
> >
> >> and 3.Are there any other binary bits required for the hardware in the
> >> device? (e.g. binary bits for the GPS or for WiFi/Bluetooth
> configuration as
> >> seen on many other smartphones)
> >
> > The WiFi/BT chip needs a binary firmware, but there is a project which
> > aims to replace it: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Thinfirm_1.5
> > I tried their latest code a few month ago and I could load the driver
> > and scan for networks but I did not get a reliable connection. It may
> > be possible to fix the remaining issues to get a working and free
> > firmware.
> >
> > Of course we would be happy if someone points us to a WiFi module
> > which runs without closed firmware. :)
>
> And very important:
>
> * is small (max. 12 x 12 x 2 mm)
> * combined with Bluetooth (we have no space to add a separate bluetooth
> module)
> * and easy to source in low quantities (MOQ 10k does not help)
> * at low price (50 EUR for a module is too expensive)
> * will be available for some more months
>
> All modules we know that don't need some closed firmware fail at least
> in one of these conditions. But we don't know everything in this complex
> world :)
>
> Nikolaus
>
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