[Tinkerphones] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Librem 5
S.Dyroff at phytec.de
Mon Nov 6 18:04:34 CET 2017
that's indeed really much money. But the GTA04 has one very big advantage:
IT'S PROVED TO BE FUNCTIONAL!!!
As far as I can see everything other is currently nothing more than
fiction. Let us take the Neo900 for example: I'm still hoping that I'll
get one, some day. According to the original schedule it should have been
delivered since several years, now. So meanwhile I already would be happy
if it will be shipped to me before the according radio networks with which
its modem works will be switched off forever due to 5G...
I don't expect Librem 5 and others to share a better fate than Neo900.
GTA04 has already passed a very long way which all others still need to
go. Hopefully Neo900 is still on place second in the run. Bricolages like
Zerophone are no option for me.
Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns at goldelico.com>
An: "Tinkerphones Community" <community at tinkerphones.org>
Datum: 05.11.2017 19:35
Betreff: Re: [Tinkerphones] Antwort: Re: Librem 5
Gesendet von: "Community" <community-bounces at tinkerphones.org>
Am 27.10.2017 um 11:46 schrieb Sven Dyroff <S.Dyroff at phytec.de>:
>> I've been following the tinkerphone mailing list all this time and was
>> quite disappointed about the complex soldering problems you've
> Yes... Well, it is more a financial problem. We would have just needed
> of what Librem 5 has collected to do one or two more trial runs.
> And I am sure we know what went wrong because I was finally able to
> one difference in the production tools between successful GTA04A4 and
> GTA04A5. But we couldn't finance more tests from the money on the table.
So how much money would be needed in order to lead the GTA04A5 to a
I am still collecting information, before I can make a precise estimate,
but please expect >> 10k €.
One part is that this needs a new stencil, production preparation (there
is one person sitting
one day to fill the component feeders) and the production run itself.
Which would be 1 day
renting operator persons plus machine operation time. And someone has to
test and potentially
fix all the devices. This will be somewhere between 5k € and 10k €.
Another major factor in this calculation is that due to the delay and our
problems there is now
the Librem 5 ready for preorder at 599 USD.
This makes it unlikely that there are still enough Openmoko friends who
prefer to buy a GTA04A5
board at the planned price of 444 € or a complete Letux 2804 at 584 € plus
VAT. This price was
calculated to cover all cost under the assumption that everything goes
well (with some reserve
for problems - but this has already been used more than completely).
So a more realistic price would be 244 € for a GTA04A5 board and 384 € for
Letux 2804. The production is ca. 60-70 boards limited by the remaining
components. So this
means another ca. 13k€ is missing because of this effect.
If we find a gratuitous donator covering the additional cost (and risk
that it will fail again),
we could give it a try to build the final batch of devices. We could even
invite the donator
to participate and watch the production run.
Thus, a rough estimate is that in total it is ca. 1% of what Librem 5 has
one 10-pack of Librem 5 + 30 inch Monitors.
So if someone wants to donate or knows someone :)
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